Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH.

Before I begin this diary, I want to add to following caveats:

1.  By no means am I stating that BO is the presumptive nominee.
2.  This Diary is not about BO's electability (although I have some reservations).

Okay - now that we got that over with, let's get to the point.

Based on the hypothetical that BO is the nominee, I think its highly possible that sexism may have cost his chances at the WH.  Yes - you heard me right - sexism.

What we know from many of the exit polls is that there is a startling number of HRC's supporters who state that under no circumstances they will vote for BO.  

According to the exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.

Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.

Obama voters appear to be more willing to support Clinton in November. In Indiana, 59 percent of Obama backers said they'd vote for Clinton, and 70 percent of Obama backers in North Carolina said they'd support the New York Democrat.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supp orters-wont-back-obama/

As we all know, based on BO's current coalition, it would be impossible for him to carry the votes needed to win the presidential nomination without getting most, if not all of HRC's supporters.  Therein lies the problem.  I believe, amongst other things, that these polls reflect a genuine inconsolable anger at the sexism bestowed onto HRC from the media, party establishment and some BO supporters.

"The on-line community is solidly behind Obama and I've read many posts and comments saying Obama voters would never, ever vote for Hillary so when I first heard these statistics on teevee I was quite surprised. Then I realized what is happening here. The media is fueling their anger. It's that simple. And there are a lot of rank and file Democratic voters who are very upset. I might add that a few bloggers have had their bodies snatched away too. And on CNN Sunday, this notion was validated by Roger Simon:

SIMON: ...I find that if you go into Hillary crowds, the anger you find on the part of her supporters, especially women supporters, is directed not against Barack Obama, but against the media.

ZERNIKE: Yes. I mean, I think what people were reacting to this week wasn't so much the media declaring the race over, as it was this kind of "Ding dong the witch is dead" quality about that tone to the comments. And I do think people are angry. And I think when you look at, you know, the percentages of Hillary Clinton supporters who say they won't support Obama, I think Roger is right. They're mad at - they're mad at the media. They're not necessarily mad at Obama.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/12 when-pundits-decide#more-29028

I would suffice is to say that its more than the media (or party establishment), but let's go with that.  Here's an example:

The Sunday morning talk shows acted almost as though Democratic Party poobahs were saying, 'Oh, all right, let the little woman run.' There was senator Chris Dodd, who made not a ripple in his own presidential campaign, lecturing Clinton that she could run only if she was 'positive.' Clinton would be allowed to run her campaign so long as she conducted herself in a manner consistent with Dodd's diktats. Well thank you Senator Dodd.

The consistent theme was that Hillary could run, but she could not 'campaign.' Her voice as a candidate would have to be silenced. She would have to restrict herself to laudatory remarks about herself, not comparisons with or criticisms of her opponent. 'Let the little woman run, so long as she remains positive,' was the apparent order of the day. Mr. Obama had become sacrosanct.

Would pundits and politicians be treating Clinton the same way if she was a man? Not on your life. If Chris Dodd were still in the race? Lecturing him? Telling him he had to limit his campaign speech to the politically correct and inoffensive? Barring him from comparing his campaign to that of his opponent? They would be telling Dodd to 'take off the gloves.' Clearly there are overtones of sexual discrimination in the way Democrats are treating Clinton.

http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-ask s-if-hillary-clinton-r588711.htm

If somehow you have been living under a rock and don't know what I am talking about in the media, please see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

While opponents of HRC cheered as she was and continues to be sliced and diced by the vast majority of the press, in reality they may be doing what the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' wanted - ensuring a Republican WH.


 



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Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 16)

"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference."
Elie Wiesel
"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:43:58 PM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (1.85 / 7)

Yeah, Obama's already lost my vote.

So far, I've been very patient with the Democratic Party, and have let their lack of action regarding sexism in this election pass.

After watching John Edwards step on Hillary Clinton's neck yesterday, my patience with the party itself is wearing quite thin.


by bellarose on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:40:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (1.85 / 7)

If you call that a "step on Hillary Clinton's neck", then the party probably never had your vote.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:42:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Financial Suicide to vote for Obama for MANY PEOPL (1.80 / 5)

Obama's newly changed healthcare 'plan' will virtually ensure that rates rise for 90% of people (so it wont 'discriminate') while keeping the worst aspect of it currently for people who dont have generous, corporate employers, the unaffordability of individual insurance for people with preexisting conditions (because then nobody will be able to afford it.)

Obama's trying to avoid that mandate, BUT ITS IMPOSSIBLE,

Read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/us/pol itics/28clinton.html

THEN READ

Wikipedia article on Adverse Selection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_sel ection

Mathematica Adverse Selection Simulation (free download)
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/Advers eSelection/

http://www.economist.com/research/Econom ics/alphabetic.cfm?LETTER=A

Adverse selection

When you do business with people you would be better off
avoiding. This is one of two main sorts of market failure
often associated with insurance. The other is moral hazard.
Adverse selection can be a problem when there is asymmetric
information between the seller of insurance and the buyer;
in particular, insurance will often not be profitable when
buyers have better information about their risk of claiming
than does the seller. Ideally, insurance premiums should be
set according to the risk of a randomly selected person in
the insured slice of the population (55-year-old male
smokers, say). In practice, this means the average risk of
that group. When there is adverse selection, people who know
they have a higher risk of claiming than the average of the
group will buy the insurance, whereas those who have a
below-average risk may decide it is too expensive to be
worth buying. In this case, premiums set according to the
average risk will not be sufficient to cover the claims that
eventually arise, because among the people who have bought
the policy more will have above-average risk than
below-average risk. Putting up the premium will not solve
this problem, for as the premium rises the insurance policy
will become unattractive to more of the people who know they
have a lower risk of claiming. One way to reduce adverse
selection is to make the purchase of insurance compulsory,
so that those for whom insurance priced for average risk is
unattractive are not able to opt out.

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also read this about Obama's reliance on the FALSE PROMISE of 'consumer driven healthcare'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_dr iven_health_care


"Critics argue that CDHC will cause consumers, particularly those less wealthy and educated, to avoid needed and appropriate health care because of the cost burden and the inability to make informed, appropriate choices. "Consumer-driven health care is badly named, because it's certainly not driven by consumers," said Jonathan Oberlander, political scientist, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. It's "really just shifting the cost of health care onto the backs of the patients." People with chronic illnesses, such as diabetes, will be hurt, because with a deductible of $3,000 to $4,000, such people will never be able to save anything in their savings accounts. "Employers like it because they're going to save money," but they're not going to fund these health care accounts adequately, he said. "Conservatives tend to support consumer-driven health care. They believe, as do a fair number of health economists, that people use too much health care, and use too much health care of little value. If you move to high-deductible plans, people will think twice. If I have a sore throat, instead of going to my physician, I'll have a cup of tea instead." [2]"

"Academic peer-reviewed research investigating the actual cost and quality impact of this new form of health care has been growing. Researchers at the Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota (Stephen T. Parente),[6] Harvard University (Meredith Rosenthal), University of Illinois at Chicago (Anthony LoSasso) and RAND Health Insurance Experiment have examined results of these plans. Health insurers, Aetna, Wellpoint, Humana and UnitedHealth Group have all provided their own independent analyses as well.

In general, most studies, starting with the RAND study, conclude that increasing the costs (co-payments and deductibles) of health care to the patient reduces the consumption of health care, but it reduces the consumption of both appropriate and inappropriate care, and the reduction is greater for low-income patients. For example, Newhouse, in summarizing the RAND study, reported that visits to doctors and hospitals decline with higher cost sharing, "although for low income families such cutbacks reduced their use of beneficial as well as unnecessary services and was estimated to have increased rates of death from preventable illness."[7] However, proponents counter these findings with studies indicating that CDHCs have broad appeal, provide a new option for the uninsured, and are leading to new incentives for people to be more engaged in managing their health.[8] One study found that the levels and trends of use of preventive and screening services by enrollees in consumer-directed health plans (CDHPs) was similar to that of enrollees in Preferred provider organization (PPO) plans. The authors concluded that "[p]eople enrolled in CDHPs such as those we studied do not underuse preventive services to any greater degree than do those in traditional PPOs."[9]

The Kaiser Family Foundation studied how consumer-driven health plans cover pregnancy. They found wide variations in cost sharing. Pregnant women could face exposure to high out-of-pocket costs under consumer-driven health plans, particularly when complications arise. In one scenario, a complicated pregnancy, with gestational diabetes, pre-term labor, cesarian section and neonatal intensive care, would cost $287,000. Under some consumer-directed health plans, the cost to the family would be $6,000, less than some traditional policies. But under other consumer-directed health plans, the cost to the family would be as high as $21,000.[10]"

SOME 'CHOICE', HUH?


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:54:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Financial Suicide to vote for Obama for MANY P (2.00 / 1)

Eh, I'm not going to troll-rate you but I'm pretty sure that your post is abuse of some sort.  It's not germaine to the diarist's topic, it's not really a response to me, and both it, and your sig line, are deliberately difficult to read.

It's like you just posted a long line of pictures just because you could.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:00:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Financial Suicide to vote for Obama for MANY P (none / 0)

Except you DID troll rate him.


by Jordache on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:45:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Financial Suicide to vote for Obama for MANY P (none / 0)

C'mon, you had it coming.


by niksder on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:18:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Financial Suicide to vote for Obama for MANY P (2.00 / 1)

Health care is a feminist issue.


by redwagon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:29:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know you're passionate about healtcare.. (none / 0)

Shouldn't this be a separate diary?


by louisprandtl on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:44:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (1.00 / 3)

So go join the Greedy Old Prostitutes (G.O.P.)


McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.
by Lefty Coaster on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:51:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks! (2.00 / 4)


>So go join the Greedy Old Prostitutes (G.O.P.)

Reminds me of Marie Antoinette's famous retort to the line "The people are starving, they need bread"

"let them eat cake"

immediately preceding the French Revolution

Your sig is appropriate too.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

HOW true. Et tu, Brut?


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:59:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks! (2.00 / 1)

The Clinton Healthcare plan is as much a merge of corporate and state power as anything.

And... this is really a discussion that belongs elsewhere.  Like how about not not hijacking every thread you're in?


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:05:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks! (2.00 / 1)

You're wrong about that. Hillary's plan, unlike Obama's, would actually have forced corporations to comply with government mandates/regulations, which would have eaten into their profits. Instead of a merger of corporate and state power, her plan involves a reining in of some corporate practices for the good of the general welfare. This is the reason why so many executives from the private health insurance industry like writing those fat checks to the Obama campaign -- Obama is great for their bottom line.

But you are right. This discussion is off topic.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:04:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (2.00 / 3)

"present" vote if he's the nominee, personally. Down-ticket races only. There's no reason to take chances with my vote. Obama doesn't, why should I?

The fight against sexism has replaced my defense of abortion rights as one of my biggest issues.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:14:21 AM EST
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Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (none / 0)

"Present" votes in the Illinois legislature are functionally the same as a "no" vote.  It isn't like
the US Senate.
by MascaraSnake on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:19:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (2.00 / 2)

Yes, I know. I'm functionally saying Nobama.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:20:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (1.00 / 1)

I know.  And yes to McCain.


by MascaraSnake on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:21:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (2.00 / 1)

No. See, I'd have to pull the lever for McCain for that to happen. You are, of course, perfectly free to live in whatever closed-down mental space you wish while you assume you know what votes not cast are all about, but that doesn't make your thinking true, or even rational.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:31:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (none / 0)

Well, one of them is going to win.

You are free to take your revenge out on the voters, young people, African Americans, the troops, women who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton any way you want, but that doesn't make your decision correct, or even ethical.

But your vote is your vote, of course.  I hope you're well-off enough not to have to live with the consequence of it.  I feel sorry for Hillary Clinton - when she said her voters "need a President" she probably thought it was true.


by Jordache on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:36:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re:This is not helpful. (2.00 / 1)

It is way too early for to be talking about this.

If Obama gets the nod, it will be the people who didn't vote for him in the primary who will determine his fate.  If he's half as great as his supporters seem to think, there's nothing to worry about.  


by half nelson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:11:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If AMERICA is half as great as she thinks she is (none / 0)

we have nothing to worry about.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:43:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (none / 0)

If the Democrat loses by one vote then your non-vote for the Democrat leads to a Republican becoming president--which directly leads to (a) no form of universal health care, (b) more people dying in Iraq, and (c) the repeal of Roe v. Wade.

If there are a million people just like you, and the Democrat loses by a million votes, then you each share the responsibility for (a), (b) and (c).

The mature thing to do is to vote your conscience in the primary and vote for the lesser of two evils in the general. So far you are half-way there.


by Brannon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:32:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm voting the new NARAL-approved (none / 0)

Ah, another threat from those that have been bullying us all along. If you don't vote for Obama, even if he doesn't care about health care for you, the world will fall apart.


by splashy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:17:36 PM EST
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Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 2)

Hi, Canadian Gal,

You are absolutely correct. And watching other democrats engage in this behavior is as disheartening as it is fascinating. The political play of course has turned into a football game, and the hooligans, many of whom one would think were wise enough to understand attacking thy family member, appealing to sexist stereotyping and character assassinations  is not  game,  but will have ramifications.

I suppose the greatest irony the morning after head scratching will of course shift the blame toward everyone but the most obvious culprit, themselves.


by gorgias on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:38:02 AM EST
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Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (none / 0)

This diary is an enormous shell-game.

You're not saying it's Obama's fault, YET, you're saying that voters are going to take it out on him, which isn't necessarily a good thing, YET, you're recing people who say they're going to vote for McCain, which is a bad thing, YET, you're encouraging it.

If McCain wins, it's the fault of a) Democrats who allow it, and b) the media, for whom he is, and has always been, the favorite candidate.

I wish I was detached enough to look at it as a game, but I'm not.


by Jordache on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:48:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I Saw Elie Wiesel listening to Bush, Israel 60th (none / 0)

"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference."
Elie Wiesel

Ironically this same man is indifferent to the suffering of Palistinains. Apparently his words only apply to those of Jewish decent and our collective feelings towards the Jewish Community. I just find it ironic you quote a hypocrite. I am not indifferent regarding the human rights violations of Israel I am quite engaged in denouncing the oppression and bigotry going on there.


by edtastic on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:27:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

They only ensure it if people vote against their (2.00 / 4)

interests.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:48:08 PM EST

Re: They only ensure it if people vote against the (2.00 / 0)

Agreed....  I keep hearing from people who say they will not vote for Obama ever, period, etc.... and you probe into the whys and wherefores and some of them say it is because they are disgusted feminists... you think you are disgusted by this primary season, think, if you will, of a McCain Presidency.  SCOTUS veers wildly Right and women lose the right to choose...  To say nothing of the patriarchal rule that is the hallmark of the Republican party... there are female Republicans... they trot them out to try to appeal to independents, but these are not the people setting policy or the Republican party.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:37:22 AM EST
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Re: They only ensure it if people vote against the (2.00 / 0)

Here's what I don't like about this thread: while it claims to be descriptive, it's really a loose interpretations of both real and perceived slights to Hillary Clinton, who, prior to being dethroned by the voters was one of the most powerful members of the Democratic party.

Yet the diarist is mojoing people who say they're going to vote for John McCain.  It's a bunch of slippery shifting reasons, but the purpose is clear - it's a place to hang your hat if you're upset at how people voted and want to get back at them.


by MascaraSnake on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:29:51 AM EST
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Re: They only ensure it if people vote against the (none / 0)

They're working at a self-fulfilling prophecy but clearly they don't take those issues very seriously if they're willing to try to make their predictions happen rather than fight back tooth & nail. It's not about the issues, it's about 1 person.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:36:05 AM EST
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Re: They only ensure it if people vote against the (2.00 / 1)

Don't tell me it's not about the issues. I'm not going to vote for McCain, but some of us were concerned about issues such as UHC, SS, and NCLB, and preferred Hillary's stands on these issues. Also, some of us, after witnessing the spinelessness of the Democratic congress after the 2006 elections were hoping that someone with a fighting spirit, rather than a "post-partisan" philosophy, would head the executive branch of government. And given Obama's ever shrinking coattails, I have very little hope for meaningful change on the federal level, despite all advertisements to the contrary.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:23:20 AM EST
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Re: They only ensure it if people vote against the (none / 0)

Given the Democrats have won elections this year in primarily Republican districts where the GOP ran ads attacking the Democratic nominee by trying to tie them to Obama (and Rev. Wright), I have seen no evidence that Obama's coattails are shrinking...

And, given the grassroots support Obama has been able to build I think his coattails will be quite lengthy come November.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:39:09 PM EST
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My interest is universal health care (none / 0)

A vote for Obama is AGAINST MY INTERESTS. Guess you have health care, or it would be in your interests to vote for Clinton.

Not to mention he wants to cut funding for NASA, another one of my interests.


by splashy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:20:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The hard truth (1.80 / 10)

that many want to change from the old style politics to a new style politics.

It's a generational thing.

Not an attack on Hillary as a woman in any way, as you seem to think.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:48:25 PM EST

You are kidding, right? (2.00 / 9)

Read this.. it sums my thoughts up perfectly:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/05/clinton_campaign_brought_sexis .html


by phoenixdreamz on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:01:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are kidding, right? (2.00 / 6)

Brought sexism out of hiding? As a sensitive soul following popular culture in the past 10 years, I am not in the least bit surprised. It did not bring sexism out of hiding, just made it so bright and prominent that many who had missed it before could not miss it.


by Beet on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:53:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 4)

...argue that Clinton can't win for pres because she's a woman.

I have heard more than one instance of people arguing that Obama can't win because he's black.


by DawnG on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:02:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 7)

this is not about HRC's electability or even BO's.  rather its about how the sexist treatment of the media has incensed and galvanized her supporters.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:16:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So? (2.00 / 3)

If it wasn't sex it'd be something else.

Obama got attacked for racial issues.  people went on TV arguing he's not really even "black".

We have got to stop letting the media manipulate US and turn US against each other.

The media is not our friend.  We need to stop getting upset and blaming EACH OTHER when they spout off.


by DawnG on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:24:55 AM EST
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Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 3)

No doubt some in the media and some supporters of Obama have been unfair to Hillary.  Rhodes comments were despicable and I cringe each time I hear some in Obama's crowds boo mentions of Hillary's name.  Notwithstanding this, there are many Obama supporters who think highly of Senator Clinton and most respect women generally.  Moreover the sexism of a small minority of Obama supporters should no more be a reason not to vote for Obama than should the racism (evidenced in recent WV exit polls) of Hillary's supporters be a reason not to vote for Hillary.  I think that they are both personally very tolerant people and that is all that should matter in assessing whether the bigotry of some of their followers should be allowed to taint their candidacies.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:33:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 2)

as i said to student guy down thread - if more people were like you and him, i sincerely doubt this would be a problem.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:19:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There are more people like us! (none / 0)

and there are more hillary supporters who just want a damn democrat in the white house!

I believe this.

I also believe that many hillary supporters are hurt, and want a chance to be heard, and that they think that they can get that chance by saying they will vote McCain in the fall. They wont, I believe, but they do deserve consideration and thoughtfulness.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:46:30 AM EST
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Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 3)

Obama has engaged in overt misogynistic rhetoric himself and has never once distanced himself from the misogyny dished out by his supporters. Most candidates would have been so mortified by Rhodes comments that they would have been in a panic to apologize and not have it attached to them - not Obama. You can call Clinton a fucking whore and it's okay with him. Even the vid goes viral you can do it. There's nothing so offensive that he'd distance himself from it.

How pathetic that the great Democratic party has reduced itself to this sordid level.


by Little Otter on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:52:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 2)

RANDI RHODES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BARACK OBAMA.

Please, just please stop lying.  Can you stop lying?

Will you ever stop lying?  Is there any way you're ever going to stop lying?

Please?  Just once?  At least for a few minutes?


Unable to rec or rate. But I've got phantom mojos for miles.
by Agent77 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:22:13 AM EST
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Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 2)

im not sure thats what the commenter was stating.  but his silence was deafening considering that this event was held for his supporters - do you know what i am saying?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:24:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 0)

Has he even been asked about Rhodes? Has Hillary?  Has it occurred to you that they might regard nonsense spewed by unaffiliated radio personalities as sideshows?  They both have bigger fish to fry, and I doubt they have time to sit around and worry about Randi Rhodes.

It was one story that lasted about half a day in the news cycle. She's not Obama's responsibility.  Move on.


by mikeinsf on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:31:30 AM EST
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um no. (2.00 / 1)

how did the crowd react when she said it?  that's the point.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:34:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: um no. (2.00 / 4)

Some people laughed.  That's not Barack Obama's responsibility.  I don't know what you think he should do - perhaps call a press conference denying allegations that Hillary Clinton is a fucking whore?  You can see how that might be a problem.

It would be one thing if it had anything to do with him, but it didn't.  Hillary Clinton isn't expected to apologize for everything bad said about Barack Obama.

Keep in mind that Little Otter has said that Randi Rhodes is her reason for voting against Barack Obama, so this is an ongoing argument.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:41:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: um no. (none / 0)

I'm confused.  Randi Rhodes said something so completely stupid that you don't even have to ask the campaign if they agree with it, and THAT's the reason for voting for McCain?

So Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and many others will support McCain.  Pretty hateful stuff over the years from just those two.

And amazingly for all the hatred toward Sen. Clinton, a larger majority of Obama supporters say they would vote for her in the fall than Clinton supporters would support Obama.

But Obama deserves to be punished for those supporters who attack Clinton.  So the guy has 12,000 people in an adoring crowd.  300 boo at Clinton's name, and Obama hates women?

OK, now I get.


by niksder on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:28:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 4)

No - that's a myth that started in NoQuarter.  The event was sponsored by Randi Rhodes home radio station.

A couple of Obama supporters posted about it on my.barackobama.com - which is basically a networking site for Obama supporters - and said hey, our local progressive radio station is holding a fundraiser, let's meet up.

NoQuarter found that page and tried to make it into "Obama supporter Randi Rhodes calls Clinton a "fucking whore" in front of an Obama audience at an Obama fundraiser sponsored by Obama.  Here's the proof!"  It's been debunked.


by Jordache on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:33:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 1)

She is still a outspoken supporter of Obama who a lot of people listen to. And lets not forget how quickly he stuck his nose in the Imus crap and called for him to be fired...yet not a single word about one of his most outspoken supporters vile personal attack of a sitting US Senator. It was crap and if he is half the man he claims to be he should have said it was crap.


by nyarch on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:42:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

here's a thought! (none / 0)

when he gets to be the presidential nominee, he can address the whole notion of sexism, with Hillary by his side. And she can apologize for any "unhelpful remarks" by her side as well!


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:49:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (none / 0)

I can imagine reasonable people thinking that Obama agrees with Rhodes that Clinton is a whore.  He doesn't have a responsibility to denounce everyone who says something bad about Clinton.  


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:14:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (none / 0)

can = can't


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:17:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have supported JRE since 2004. (2.00 / 2)

I didn't need his endorsement to help me decide who to support after he dropped out, and it didn't sway my opinion any more yesterday than it would have before Super Tuesday. But I do still respect his opinion enough to want to hear what he had to say. I think his heart was in the right place, and he was trying to start the party on the road to reconciliation. But he missed his chance.
When he got booed for mentioning Hillary's name several minutes in, he looked downright disgusted. Then the camara cut to Barack Obama, sitting on his little stool slowly clapping with a big ass smile on his face, like it was the funniest thing in the world for his supporters to be booing John Edwards for praising HRC's years of contributions to the party. I have been trying to convince myself for weeks to vote for him in Nov., but he lost my vote in that moment.
Yes, I know he made a belated half-hearted attempt to quiet the crowd. And no, I would never in a million years vote for McCain. But I am so disgusted by the disrespect for women in general, and HRC in particular, by the Obama camp and the Democratic leadership that they are going to have to earn my vote. Not just now, but from now on.  
by georgiapeach on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:37:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Nope. (none / 0)

I came home early to catch the endorsement live. What I saw was very different.

The only time he clapped was to affirm John Edward's positive comments about Hillary.

When a very small portion of the crowd booed you can see Obama holding his arms out and asking them to stop.

I understand folks see what they want to see in situations but I really recommend that you go back and look at it again.


by CanuckinMA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:55:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

WIsh that was more apparent (2.00 / 2)

It isn't.
Booing of senator Clinton, the sexism in the media, all of that really pisses a lot of us off.  Enough to consider not voting for Obama in the general.

I am a loyal democrat, and have been for many years.  There should have been more respect for Hillary, PERIOD. Not excuses that the Obama supporters so often use for not showing her respect. "Nutcracker"? "Claws come Out"-direct quote from Obama, "Bros Before Ho's"? , "Iron my Shirts?".

F*CK THAT!  
Obama should really have taken the politically courageous step of demanding that all stop.
Not only would that be courageous, it would be smart. Without Hillary supporters, he LOSES. No new coalition is strong enough to withstand losing us, forget it.  That is ridiculously naive.

So now, asking for unity and my democratic loyalty  when not much has been shown towards the candidate I hoped would win gives me some pause.


by Al Depansu on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:12:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WIsh that was more apparent (none / 0)

He has chastised his supporters who have gone over the top in opposing Hillary rather than just supporting him.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (none / 0)

How did she get further than any other woman in US history in becoming the POTUS??  How??


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:40:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (none / 0)

Not sure if I get your post...  I'll take a shot, minorities will rise to power by different paths and not that of predominate white male paths.  


by jelyfish on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:27:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 1)

Um, how does your diary prove her campaign failed because of racism?


by The Distillery on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:55:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 3)

i dont think i understand you comment.  but this diary is not about failed campaigns.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:03:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 1)

Oh, sorry.  That should have been sexism.  All right, then to use your words, how have the Democrats failed because of sexism?


by The Distillery on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:09:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have never ever heard a democrat... (2.00 / 2)

again - its not about failed campaigns, but rather how some HRC supporters are feeling about what has happened.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:11:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The hard truth (1.75 / 4)

"many want to change from the old style politics to a new style politics."

A "New Style politics"? With Barack Obama? The corrupt product of the Chicago machine? Hahahahahaha. How inane, how naive.


by 07rescue on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:27:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Is that like old time religion? (2.00 / 2)

What is old style politics?  And how is Obama's style somehow "new" other than the fact that he has raised boatloads of money over the internet?

And what exactly do you expect he will do for young people?  I know what he has done so far: soaked them for a bunch of money and free labor.

A little cynicism is a good thing.


by lombard on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:07:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The hard truth (2.00 / 3)

Your new style of Politics is a very old style of Politics, sweetie.


by bellarose on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:43:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL (2.00 / 1)

YEAHSURERIGHT, there is nothing new with Obama.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:12:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (1.85 / 7)

hahaha, you almost got me....I was typing a serious response and I caught myself

but yeah yeah Democrats will lose everyone is sexist, and only HRC supporters and Republicans can see the truth, everyone else was to dumb to see it....

got it.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:50:34 PM EST

If Clinton had won... (2.00 / 8)

...someone would have just written a "why racism may have cost the dems the WH" diary.

It's a lose-lose situation no matter how you look at it.  It serves no purpose to foster these memes.

Clinton did not lose ground in the nomination because of her gender anymore than Obama gained ground because of his race.  She lost ground for a lot of different reasons.  he gained ground for a lot of different reasons.

It's intellectually insulting to boil it all down to sex and race.


by DawnG on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:57:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Clinton had won... (2.00 / 1)

Kudos to you DawnG


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:40:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary lost because... (2.00 / 5)

Mark Penn is an idiot.  True, there really is 'a lot of different reasons', but the Venn diagram of reasons has a rather large bubble labeled 'Penn' that overlaps most of them.


by protothad on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:05:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree (2.00 / 2)

I am an Obama supporter, but I have always really admired Hillary.  I think that she is much better than her campaign suggests, her campaign staff (especially Penn) has done a HUGE disservice to her.


by mnl1012 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:25:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Clinton had won... (1.00 / 1)

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Yeah right if Obama had been a brand new senator from Illinois and been white he would have won too. And he would have won 80-90 % of the black vote to get his victories if he were white just because of his message.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha haven't heard such a good one in a long time


by Bornagaindem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:45:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Clinton had won... (none / 0)

Then I suggest you look into the way the black vote has gone in the past before you make a fool of yourself again.  80-90%, every time.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:03:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Clinton had won... (none / 0)

IN THE PRIMARY. This is a comment on the primary not on the general election where you are correct they vote 80-90 % democratic. But are you telling me that black people would be voting for Obama in the primary if he weren't black? Au Contraire they would be voting for Clinton by nearly the same margins.


by Bornagaindem on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:48:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 15)

Your premise is flawed.  The media serves no master other than itself.  The media benefits when there is conflict.  As such, it plays up anything and everything controversial that it can.

If any particular outlet doesn't run with it, the others will, and that outlet suffers.

We spent how long talking about the National Guard accusations on President Bush in 2004?  How long on Swiftboating?  What about Reverend Wright?  What about flag pins?  What about $400 haircuts?  

Face it - your candidate took some bodyblows, just like the others.  She took more than several others did because she was a more formidable and prominent candidate.  While I'm sure there is some sexism endemic to some in the media, the media is only a sample of the populace at large.  What you find scattered among all of us, you will find scattered among subsets of us.

There is no meaningful bias against Hillary Clinton because she is a woman.  There is a heck of a lot of dislike of her by some.  That dislike is often irrational and wrong, but some of it is borne of her own record and her own words.  She's never been afraid of making waves, which is admirable, but making waves makes enemies.

When she steamrolled Democratic congressmen during Hillarycare, she made enemies.  When she attacked the women who, rightly we later found out, claimed sexual relationships with her husband, she made enemies.  When she continually added to the list of states that "do not matter" she made enemies.

She is hardly unique in pissing people off.  Most every prominent politician does this.

Please accept the fact that she is no more a special and unique slowflake than is anybody else up there.  The media may have dogpiled her, but no more so than they dogpiled Obama over Wright.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:52:03 PM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (none / 0)

Brilliant analysis again, Reaper.  Appreciated another one of your posts earlier.  You should write some diaries...miles ahead of the norm around here.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:13:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 2)

Nice job Reaper..I'd mojo, but you know...


I'm Ready For A Good Old GOP & John McCain Ass Kickin'!!!
by hootie4170 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:42:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 3)

i have long said that the media sucks and you can deny it all you want, but i think you are precisely proving my point in doing so.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:51:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 4)

Then you misunderstand my argument completely.

They are jackals, but not sexist jackals.  If Hillary was a man, they'd be hitting her for something else.

Everybody who runs viably for national office is gonna get hit by one or more proverbial mac trucks from the press.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Those were her words.  Take the lesson from it.  These things are hard because they matter so much.  If she didn't have to overcome adversity, she'd be a far weaker president.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:59:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 4)

i agree with everything you just wrote EXCEPT that its not sexist as illustrated in the links i provided.  but at the end of the day it does not matter what i think.  i am just trying to shed some light on what i am seeing around me.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:09:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 1)

That's more than fair, and certainly welcome.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:10:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (none / 0)

I love this new diarist too. Makes brilliant points. And there's something about the cogent style...

I wonder if reaperbot may be one of the 'disappeared' come back to MYDD to save us?


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:20:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The GOP wins on the sexism scoreboard (2.00 / 3)

Look, there might be angry feelings and resentment from Hillary supporters towards an Obama-led ticket, but from a RATIONAL perspective, there is NO way that "sexism" costs the Democrats this year.

You know what's sexist?:

- McCain laughing along with the crowd when he gets the question "How do we beat the bitch [Clinton]?"

  • far right-wing anti-choice positions
  • every single f'ing word out of Limbaugh's, Glenn Beck's, Coulter's, etc.'s mouths
  • the kind of federal judges that a Republican president would put in place

Maybe you lack faith in the rationality of Democratic women, but I believe they will make the smart choice and pick the pro-choice, progressive Democratic candidate.


by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:52:12 PM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 6)

This woman is proud to have voted for Obama, and feels very strongly that Hillary's treatment by the media was not only fair, but was entirely justified given the negative campaign she chose to run.  If Obama had her numbers he would have been laughed out of the election months ago.  Take a look at what happened to Huckabee when the numbers turned against him, he became a big joke.  The same happened to Edwards, Romney, and every other losing candidate in this and previous presidential elections.  Hillary was treated with a deference that is unprecedented, and given that fact it is amazing to me that her supporters continue to complain about how she is being treated.


No McCain in '08
by Renie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:55:54 PM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (1.83 / 6)

its v. nice that you voted for BO, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion about the media.  but alas - a huge majority of HRC supporters (you know, the people I am talking about here) disagree with you, and so do a lot of non-partisan media monitors.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:58:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 1)

Check out Todd's analysis of some recent polls.  Obama and Clinton have almost identical support in the national election.  I think she maybe has a few higher percentage points with women, he has a few higher with men.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:15:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 4)

so, we should let those sour hillary supporters blackmail the convention???

and that is sexism how?????

pretzel logic cangal


by citizendave on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:56:56 PM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 3)

I have faith that the majority of Hillary supporters are real Dems who will support the nominee in November. I'm trul unconcerned about a handful of trolls.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:02:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

HA! (2.00 / 2)

Here's your logic:

Sexism cost Hillary (the MOST ELECTABLE DEMOCRAT [TM]) the nomination in the Democratic primary...where the voters generally are less sexist.

But...wait...sexism wouldn't affect her at all in the general election!!!

LOGICAL!!!!


by Terrance Manley on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:00:36 AM EST

Re: HA! (2.00 / 4)

where did i say it was sexism in the electorate - its the media.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:02:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HA! (none / 0)

I don't see how that substantive alters your point.  There's no evidence that anything you're laying at the feet of the media would suddenly disappear in the general.

I don't really follow you in general.  Older white women are angry at the media, therefore Obama will lose?

As a woman myself who voted for Obama and who knows maybe a maximum of two Clinton supporters,  I'm not exactly up on the sentiments running high among Clinton supporters, but I find it hard to believe that they would retaliate against the media by denying African Americans their first President.  Especially since the majority of McCain threatening voters on this site are men.


Everybody, do the Flowbee!
by Jess81 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:51:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HA! (2.00 / 2)

"Older white women are angry at the media" -because that is the only people that voted for her?????

for all reading these here, maybe this comment will enlighten you on what is being said in the diary.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:56:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, throw those words back at her (none / 0)

Plenty of us guys voted for her and plenty of us guys don't like Obama.


by lombard on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:23:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 3)

Has there been sexism against Senator Clinton during this nomination process? Yes. Has there also been racism directed at Senator Obama? Yes.

But any person who votes for McCain in November is damaging the cause of women's rights. I wonder how many true feminists are comfortable with the idea of four more years of a Republican President?


by chicagovigilante on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:01:39 AM EST

so what are you going to do about it? (2.00 / 2)


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:01:59 AM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 2)

People who vote for Hillary are racist.
People who vote for Obama are sexist.
Got it.
Can you hear the Bushevik Party laughing their asses off at some Democrats?
by Nomo Clintons on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:03:53 AM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 3)

I cannot believe that you actually attached that citizens united not timid shit of a graphic with your diary. What a disgrace! How the hell does that relate to "sexism" that cost dems the white house? Wouldn't you think that sexism caused by dems would cost them the white house? If the media is sexist, why should Obama pay the price? Why should we all (yourself excluded) pay the price and end up with batshit crazy McCain?

Whatever point you were trying to make, it was in poor taste, with poor judgement, and little to no sense.


_____________
PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:03:56 AM EST

Re: Why Sexism May Have Cost the Dems the WH. (2.00 / 5)

i attached the graphic to illustrate my point.  i have written many diaries on this topic and well - if you even check the comments on this diary, there are MANY people that are denying this exists.  you're right its not fair that BO should pay the price - but this is what happens when you, me , BO and the democratic party let these things go unchecked.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:08:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Action Required (2.00 / 3)

They don't go unchecked, believe me. May be sometimes, but there are always people, good people, working hard for justice and equality (ani difranco, dennis kucinich, to name two of my heroes).

I know you post about this all the time. I read most of your diaries when time permits. But examine your last paragraph:


While opponents of HRC cheered as she was and continues to be sliced and diced by the vast majority of the press, in reality they may be doing what the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' wanted - ensuring a Republican WH.

So you say that things go unchecked, but you end your diary with a paragraph like this. It's a conclusion when what we need from you, me, Hillary, Barack and everyone else is a call, nay, a cry for action. You seem to do your homework for your pieces, next time I hope you concentrate your efforts on presenting us with the ways we can all change the status quo.


_____________
PUMA: Perverse Undemocratic McCain Adherents
by lizardbox on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:19:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Action Required (